Sunday, 12 February 2017

Is Bergoglio about to change the Mass thereby rendering it, "invalid?" Our penance has begun!

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Today the "gesimas" begin and this is Septuagesima Sunday or in the privileged Anglican Catholic Ordinariate, the Third Sunday before Lent. The rest of you, sadly, get to suffer in banality in the deserted wasteland of the Novus Ordo. In the ridiculously named "Ordinary Time" for what was, the Time After Epiphany, it is some ordinary numbered Sunday where you will probably be told that "Lent is coming soon, it is time to prepare," because that is what the notes in the Ordo tell the priest to begin to do. How silly, how utterly banal that a practice stretching back to the earliest times should be stripped away from the liturgical year without even a logical reason. Just another way to debase our work for the glory of God and preparation for ourselves. The colour is now violet, the Gloria is gone, the Alleluia is now removed from the liturgies not to return until the Paschal Vigil. It is "pre-Lent," which the reformers abhorred, a time to prepare. 

Septuagesima from the Liturgical Year by Dom Gueranger

Septuagesima Overview including a Reading by Dom Gueranger

Lest the title of this post confuse you, be confused no more. But prepare. Prepare for the Cross which you, dear Catholic, are about to be nailed to. Carry it and use it to strengthen yourself for the fight of our life that is to come sooner than you think. Gosh, how incredible that we get to live this. We were born for this!

We heard a few weeks ago that Bergoglio had ordered a review of Liturgiam Authenticum. 

First, a little background is in order. Liturgiam Authenticum was an order of Pope John Paul II and concerned the translations of the Mass and Liturgy of the Hours, Book of Blessings, Ceremonials, and so on from their original Latin to the vulgar languages. Note here, that we are speaking of the books and liturgy which have been forced upon the people of  God since 1969 and what we call here, the Nervous Disorder, or as Marcel Lefebvre termed it, the "bastard rite."

When the Roman Rite Mass was translated in Missals and for use in 1965, the translations were literal and poetic. The 1969 Missal was translated using the practice of "dynamic equivalence," in other words, it was not necessarily a translation, but a trans-literation. It also was done for diabolical and political reasons, hence, "pro multis" in the Latin Missal of Paul VI was translated as "for all" when it truly means, "for many." The readers here are familiar with the rest of that story and the changes brought in 2011 which we do not need to expand on further here.

Bergoglio purged the Congregation of Divine Worship a few months ago, leaving Cardinal Sarah now, nothing more than a figurehead. It was not long after that news came the news on his demand to review Liturgiam Authenticum which so far, has only been implemented in the English speaking world. 

Of course, the solution, as I have said before, is for you to abandon the distorted Novus Ordo and get back to the proper offering of Holy Mass in the traditional Rite, or go Byzantine, not even Maronite as they have now entrenched the nervously disordered mentality in to their once venerable rite.

Now when the story appeared on this matter, I wrote a post called, "Get out of the Novus Ordo - Bastard Rite II is about to be pushed on you!" 

I will post again this extract from Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich about the Mass of the future. Then, you can read a blog post from a priest in Rome.

If you feel like vomiting afterwards, it's okay. This is all good and necessary, because these rotten, filthy, evil, effeminate clericalists will have declared themselves to be the heretics and devils that the are. And recall that the fish rots from the head first!


“I saw that many of the instruments in the new Church, such as spears and darts, were meant to be used against the living Church. Everyone dragged in something different: clubs, rods, pumps, cudgels, puppets, mirrors, trumpets, horns bellows – all sorts of things. In the cave below (the sacristy) some people kneaded bread, but nothing came of it; it would not rise. The men in the little mantles brought wood to the steps of the pulpit to make a fire. They puffed and blew and laboured hard, but the fire would not burn. All they produced was smoke and fumes. Then they broke a hole in the roof and ran up a pipe, but the smoke would not rise, and the whole place became black and suffocating. Some blew the horns so violently that the tears streamed from their eyes. All in this church belonged to the earth, returned to the earth. All was dead, the work of human skill, a church of the latest style, a church of man’s invention like the new heterodox church in Rome.” Blessed Anne Katherine Emmerich




"Drafts from Santa Marta on intercommunion"
by: Fra Cristoforo

The chronicles of Santa Marta never end. Here is a statement that is nothing short of grotesque.

[Meanwhile], today Bergoglio received an "Ecumenical" delegation of the German Evangelical Church .. read here: http://ilsismografo.blogspot.it/2017/02/vaticano-udienza-di-papa-francesco-allahtml.

Apart from the usual syrupy speeches, there was the usual "beatification" of Luther and his reform..and bla bla bla. But there's more. And I confide this to you in a "secure" way. [Meanwhile] the news that the Bishop of Rome has given directions for a change to the "Eucharistic Liturgy" is already circulating. He gave some leads, which then will pass his scrutiny, in order to - in a nutshell - change the rite of Holy Mass.

I quote only one article on this, but the net is full of sources.


My confidential source from Santa Marta, reporting to me some discussions that he heard between one lunch and another, told me that in fact the change to the Mass, wanted by Bergoglio, has ONLY ONE END: AN ECUMENICAL END. That is, to "create" a Mass that will not be in opposition to the Protestants and therefore be a liturgy that can be celebrated "in communion".

And this is the truth. And this is his intention. A perennial liturgy that, however, would be ecumenical. Obviously I predict that in order to do this, Bergoglio will also have change the text of the "Consecration". This would make the Mass invalid. And I also predict that those who will refuse to celebrate this "new rite" will be considered out of the Church. These times are coming: let's face it. The Bishop of Rome wants to become "el presidente" of the various denominations; and to do this he is selling Jesus Christ at a price much lower than Judas did.

As for me, since I am a priest, I will refuse to celebrate this type of liturgy. And I tell you that we will return to being Christians in the "catacombs." The intent of Bergoglio is, then, to arrive at this: to "modify" in order to "unite." Even today, in the speech to those Lutherans, he has already mentioned that the liturgical division between Catholics and Protestants hurts especially mixed "couples" [ie mixed marriages].


So apparently he also wants to speed things up.

My "source" from Santa Marta tells me that is almost done: only a matter of time. Mala tempora currunt. (Latin for "bad times are upon us").

I suggest to all readers to pray to the Madonna with many Rosaries - not to ward off (push away) these times,  because these times are here - but so that she may help you to keep the Faith. "And to persevere in time of persecution. That time will come soon".


Brother Cristoforo


These Roman rumours tend to have a habit of coming true. It is time to add using real math, not that of Spadaro. All that this Pope and his minions have done and said is leading to this. The man refuses to genuflect at Mass but grovels to wash feet. He praises Lutherans but insults the faithful Catholic.

Forewarned is forearmed.   

40 comments:

Maudie N Mandeville said...

Epistle I Cor. 10:5
'But with most of them God was not well pleased.' Quick, someone tell Fr. Barron.

Michael Dowd said...

"Pope Francis will be last Pontiff Irish St. Malachy predicted. The prophecies of the Irish Saint Malachy, the 12th-century bishop of Armagh, have thrilled and dismayed readers for centuries. He has stated there would be only one more pope after Benedict, and during his reign comes the end of the world"

This could be true. Prepare accordingly.

Murray said...

Thanks for mentioning the Anglican Ordinariate, Vox. As a non-Ordinariate Catholic who attends an Ordinariate parish, I take every opportunity to urge Novus Ordo Catholics to check out the Ordinariate's Divine Worship, which is superior to the NO in every way.

If this rumor is true, I expect it will be a multi-pronged attack. The Novus Ordo will be the first to be "reformed", but given the obvious intentions of the Sancte Marthe Crew, assaults will follow on the Tridentine Mass (perhaps through the rescinding of Summorum Pontificum), followed by mopping-up operations on the smaller communities like the Ordinariate and others who maintain distinct forms of worship. It will be a winnowing.

Sybok said...

bergoglio's family is longed lived, he will want to see the poisonous fruit of this suffocating vine he's planting. 3 years ago i still decieved that this man was orthodox and i would not believe such rumors. but we have seen 4 years of rumors proven to be true.

Capt. Morgan said...

As sad as it seems to say, I can see Francis doing this very act. The man is deranged.

Dorota Mosiewicz-Patalas said...

It should be as easy as it will be disgusting. I read that today he gave a sermon on fulfilment of the law at Angelus.

When speaking about adultery, he changed the expression "lustfully looking at a women" into "looking at her with a possessive spirit". But that's not all, because he explained that women back then were men's possessions. Turns out - adultery is a desire to take over someone else's possessions, in other words - greed - and that's bad. Adultery is greed for possessions, another face of social injustice, It has nothing to do with lust.

Oh, the god of surprises - revealing to us after all this time that what we have really been waiting for two thousand years was not a second coming of Christ, but the overthrow of our misreadings and misconception, in other words - Jorge Bergoglio. How could we have been so blind!?

There is the part where Jesus said that a woman may be divorced only for reasons of sexual immorality. Bergoglio twists again, and allows divorce - for the reason of an invalid marriage. We already know, because he told us on a plain (I think), that most Catholic marriages are invalid.

I had to write this under this post, off-topic, because the evil is so obvious, and people who surround me do not see it.

God is merciful, I believe. There is nothing we suffer that he does not know about.

Left-footer said...

I became a Catholic in 1989. I do not think I would have had the courage if Bergoglio had been Pope.

God bless!

Katrinka Yobotz said...

And after the morsel, Satan entered into him. And Jesus said to him: That which thou dost, do quickly.
-- John 13:27

Osusanna said...

Yes! We were born for this. Thank you Vox.

George Brenner said...

Vox, Thank you very much for this posting. If those in the Catholic Church do not speak out in vast support of Cardinal Burke and many others like him, Jesus will and very soon.


In Christ,

George

Anonymous said...

Jesus said that the book of Daniel must be fulfilled before the end. The Book of Daniel says that an abomination will placed on the Altar of the Daily Bread. It will be there for just about 3 years. Hence the three days of darkness. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states the final Apostasy will confuse many. It will involve the worship of Man over God. Sr. Lucia asks in her book, Calls from Fatima, "Why did Our Lady say the Rosary, you will always have. Why not the Mass?" I believe Our Lady, knew that her message at Fatima would be kept from us, so ALL that happened was the message. It is all the message. The Secret is hidden within the happenings. She is predicting the Book of Daniel is coming to fulfillment. We have the Rosary, and it can not be taken away. Lucia said it is a Liturgical Prayer. So we can us it to replace the Mass for a time.

Matt said...

Daniel 12:11 tells us that the daily sacrifice will fail in the end times and that the abomination of desolation will be set up in its place. This state of affairs will last three and a half years. The prophetic warnings go back millennia and only become stronger as we approach their fulfillment. Hold fast, keep your rosaries close and pray them every day. God stored up graces especially for these times and they are ours for the asking. Our Lord has explicitly promised that these days will be cut short for the sake of the elect, lest all of His little children fall. We have His word on it , but right now our job is to stick close by His side with Our Lady. How amazing that we were born to these times!

Anonymous said...

Keep the Faith! This won't go on much longer.

Margaret

Mike said...

According to "THE CATECHISM By Decree of THE HOLY COUNCIL OF TRENT," published by command of Pope Saint Pius V: "We are then firmly to believe (certo credendum est)," that the form for the consecration of the wine "consists in the following words: This is the chalice of my blood, of the new and eternal testament, the mystery of faith, which shall be shed for you and for many, to the remission of sins." (Part II, chap. 4, par. 21) And immediately below in par. 22, we read: "Concerning this form no one can doubt (Verum de hac forma nemo dubitare poterit) ... it is plain that no other words constitute the form (perspicuum est, aliam formam constituendam non esse)."

The words "For you and for all men were introduced into the all English Canon in October 1967 - a good while before the Novus Ordo was vomited into the world in all it's fly blown glory in 1969.

John Lane wrote this breif summary regarding the invalidity of the words "For all men" in 1998:

"Sacraments signify what they effect, and effect what they signify. The chief thing which must be signified, according to Pope Leo XIII in Apostolicae Curae, is the "res tantum" - the "reality", the "grace proper" of the sacrament. In the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist this "reality" or "grace proper" is the unity of the mystical body. (The Real Presence is "reality and sign" or "res et sacramentum", not the "res tantum").

This signification is found in the words "for you and for many unto the remission of sins" - the "you and many" refer to the members of the Mystical Body, and the "remission of sins" is the cause of their unity. The Novus Ordo says "for all" and consequently fails to signify the Mystical Body or its unity. Hence the Novus Ordo fails to signify what it is meant to effect, and is by definition invalid. That is, it is no sacrament at all."


The same people who tinkered with the consecration of the chalice in the Mass, causing at best a grave doubt regarding validity of the Mass, also invented new rites of Holy Orders in 1968. Radical changes were made to the FORM of the consecration of a Bishop which completely contradicted what Pius XII said was necessary for validity as recently as 1947.

Anonymous said...

"Pope Francis will be last Pontiff Irish St. Malachy predicted. The prophecies of the Irish Saint Malachy, the 12th-century bishop of Armagh, have thrilled and dismayed readers for centuries. He has stated there would be only one more pope after Benedict, and during his reign comes the end of the world"

Micheal, Francis is not 'Peter the Roman' (last one) since I believe that he is a false pope or an anti-pope. We may have one more left...

Thoughts?

Anonymous said...

Dear Vox and all Voxites,

True story - this happened to me almost 20 years ago:

A friend of mine asked me to attend a Protestant wedding with him. I agreed on the condition that we would not participate in the service - not even say Amen. He agreed and we went to the wedding.

Vox, I kid you not - the Lutheran service was EXACTLY like the NO Mass at the RC parish 5 minutes away from my house. I mean EXACTLY THE SAME service.

I had heard from a gentleman from my parish (now deceased - thank you, +Joseph!) about the 6 Protestant ministers who worked with Bugnini on the NO in the Consilium during the 60s. I read literature on the subject too.

However, this time I saw firsthand that everything I had heard and read about the NO being a Protestantized Mass was absolutely true.

Because the NO had "all" instead of "many", I had lingering doubts about the Real Presence of Our Lord at the adoration chapel of the NO parish near me. When the translation was changed back to "many", I felt much better going to adoration and my doubts ceased.

The NO Mass is Protestantized enough. I can't imagine how much more Protestant they can make it.

Have mercy on us, O Lord, have mercy on us. Since we have no defense, we sinners offer this supplication to You, our Master: Have mercy on us!

Troparion of General Intercession and Penitence, Tone 6

In Christ the King,

Margaret

Marc said...

There is no need for pre-Lent in the Novus Ordo because there is no fasting in the Novus Ordo. It doesn't take three weeks of preparation to "give up" chocolate.

Anonymous said...

John Lane is a sedevacantist. Caveat lector!

Margaret

Anil Wang said...

My own sense is that the rumour is partly true. It is àn ecumenical service, but it will not replace the mass. It will just be an "option" that allows lay leaders to symbolically give communion in charismatic circles, dioceses with few priests and many Catholics, parishes with many mixed marriages, and the Neocatechumenal Way....And the new service will fulfill your mass obligations.

They will also allow the old dynamic equivalent mass as an option. No force required and there is just enough wiggle room for self deceived Catholics to convince themselves that no heresy is taking place since the movie ordo is not touched, only given more options.

Anonymous said...

This is what we in the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church do in preparation for the Great Fast (Lent):

Sunday of Zaccheus (2 weeks ago) - if Pascha/Easter comes early, then this Sunday is omitted)

Sunday of the Publican and the Pharisee (last week) - This Sunday and the next 3 are never omitted.

General dispensation from fasting or abstinence during this week. We don't want to imitate the Pharisee (cf. Luke 18: 12).

Sunday of the Prodigal Son (today - Septugesima on the TL calendar. Wednesday and Friday abstinence resume this week.

Meatfare Sunday (Last Judgement) = Sexagesima

(Traditionally the last day to eat meat until Pascha)

Cheesefare Sunday (Forgiveness Sunday - Exile of Adam and Eve from Paradise) = Quinquegesima

(Traditionally the last day to eat dairy products until Pascha)

Clean Monday (2 days before Ash [Pure] Wednesday) - STRICT fast and abstinence from meat, eggs and dairy products

Pure Week - First Week of the Great Fast


We have a lot to pray for during the Great Fast this year.

In Christ the King,

Margaret

Johnno said...

Emmerich's prophecy is akin to that event, where the priests of Baal were challenged by Elijah to evoke their god to effect the burnt sacrifice. They failed. Then Elijah, after watering his altar several times, called upon God and fire came down from Heaven. The people then followed Elijah's orders and cut the necks of Baal's priests by the river. Queen Jezebel got very upset.

In March this year, an Anglican choir will perform during a Mass at the Vatican. Part of ecumenism.

I don't know who Elijah will be, but I suspect Jezebel may be a woman bishop from the Anglicans, or someone Francis may put in charge for more active female participation as a woman deaconess and member of the college.

GraceMary Poustina. said...

The last Pope,as prophesied by Malachy, is to be Petrus Romanus. Peter the Roman. Can people not see,that when Pope Benedict had to move aside, the Keys to the Kingdom were RETURNED to Petrus Romanus, otherwise known as St.Peter. The first Pope, and the last,for our current era. What we have now is a false pope,sadly one that too many people are being deceived by. This year we will have a complete worldwide economic collapse. The world will come to the brink of a potentially devastating war,but by the Grace of our Merciful God, who will send a timely, shocking,Warning to mankind,early in 2018 we will be spared the devastation of all out war. "Insider"was correct regarding the Knights of Malta /Matthew Festing /Cardinal Burke /Francis et al mess recently. That's when Jorge showed his true colours.
All who read my words --take note.

Michael Dowd said...

"Micheal, Francis is not 'Peter the Roman' (last one) since I believe that he is a false pope or an anti-pope. We may have one more left...

Thoughts?"

I really have no idea how exactly the various "end times" scenarios will play out. But it just seems to me that we are reaching a water-shed moment in the Church which, given the preponderance of evidence and predictions going back a couple of hundred years, would lead me to believe we are at the beginning of the end.

Michael Dowd said...

GraceMary Poustina. said...

"The last Pope,as prophesied by Malachy, is to be Petrus Romanus. Peter the Roman. Can people not see,that when Pope Benedict had to move aside, the Keys to the Kingdom were RETURNED to Petrus Romanus, otherwise known as St.Peter. etc."

Agree Pope Francis is a usurper. And your interpretation of Petrus Romanus is very plausible. However, I wonder about your source for the economic collapse and whether this, if it happens, will be seen as a punishment coming from God. Personally, I would like to see a divine intervention aimed directly at the Vatican as I think the Church is significantly responsible for the world wide moral devastation of the last 50 years or so.

Johnno said...

I wouldn't be too quick to attach Francis anywhere to St. Malachy's list.

For all we know the Glory of the Olive - supposedly Benedict XVI - could still be reigning, supposing his abdication invalid due to grave error.

Then there is I've heard, a curious gap between the Olive and Peter the Roman. Because Peter the Roman, unlike the other names, bears no number beside his name, unlike the rest of the list.

" It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman". " (From the Catholic Encyclopedia 1913 edition)

Interestingly enough, how many spots are left on St. Paul Outside the Walls? 2 following Francis' portrait...

Roseanne said...

In the Novum Or do the Consecration words have been changed from even what Fr.John Wyclif and Fr Martin Luther state emphatically are " the actual words of Christ," . One of the words omitted is "blessed". This is not a minor mistake. Blessed in the Catholic sense is a power, in the protestant sense it is not. Ck out Douai Bible, Genesis explanatory footnote at God's blessing of Adam and Eve. All other Bibles omit it. Very important!

TLM said...

I do think the time will come when we do not have a valid Mass to participate in. What is surprising to me, is that it's coming so quickly. This 'Pope' is moving faster than the speed of light. That's not the 'usual' way in Rome. For 2000 years they have moved slower than molasses in January! He is moving at record speed! I knew about the Rosary sufficing for the Mass for a short time, but I worry about the remainder of the sacraments. What about Confession? What about Baptism? The Sacrament of the sick? Confirmation? Etc., etc. How in the world are we supposed to live without these? This to me is a real worry.......THOUGHTS ANYONE?

Vox Cantoris said...

TLM,

Would it not then be as in England with priest holes or the Mass rocks in Ireland or the catacombs in Rome?

Fox and I are prepared with empty rooms to put up three priests. Sung Mass in our dining room on Sunday for our friends. There will be priests who will refuse to go along with the heresy and abomination of desolation.

They will be mocked, some may be suspended and may need to become "worker priests." They will depend on us to give them their lodging and stipends from the faithful. They will be suspended but the Sacraments from them will be valid because of the state of emergency and ecclesia supplet.

But, those priests who truly love the LORD must NOT go along with this diabolical plan. I think, in this coming persecution, the LORD and Blessed Mother will lead us to them and them to us. And if not, the rosary!

atsa4you said...

Having just read this article I can't help but ponder on the irony surrounding the smackdown that was given to the contemporary visionary from Dublin recently on this website with the rationale that she had been discredited thoroughly and would not be mentioned in these pages. The irony is that the sources given the authority to discredit MDM are the very same passionate defenders of the very "Novus Ordo" church and it's leaders, that Vox suggests we flee. The only "clergy" who have spoken against her, are the same ones who support same sex marriage, and fail to defend life, and who are "all in" with whatever path Bergoglio intends to lead the new modern Ecumenical blob he is working feverishly to create. I'm sorry, but the messages received and given to the world by this woman, have saved many around the world who are ready to take up the mantle of the Holy Remnant Church. We who were blessed to find these messages, have been aware of and prepared for all of "this" almost verbatim. Many Remnant clergy also privately follow these inspired messages, and will be prepared to shepherd the Remnant Church from underground. God Bless You Vox. I pray that your eyes and ears will be opened to "the rest of the story".

Vox Cantoris said...

I am not suggesting to flee the Church, I am suggesting to flee the Novus Ordo Mass if it is not offered properly and a traditional Mass is available, and if the only one is the SSPX, then to go there. I am not a sedevacantist. Bergoglio is the Pope, in law, as best as we can know it. Only a future pope or council can declare him an antipope, which is why I do not agree on this with Ann Barnhardt.

It is out of my realm to declare him the "False Prophet." It is out of MDM's realm. She was a fraud. I could have and did predict many of that which she did because I am student of history and a futurist in the sense of using past events to predict future outcomes based upon known, knowns.

This is not prophecy, it is logic.

If MDM was true, she would not have been secretive. She would not have used her gift as a money-making, marketing ploy, which she did.

Take another, Charlie Johnston. I will admit to have read him and respect him because at least, he did not hide behind anonymity and now that he has been proved wrong, by events, at least in that which he put as his test, has bowed out of public comment.

We do not need to chase after self professed prophets. We have what we need.

atsa4you said...

O my dear children, how much my Heart grieves for the suffering, which faces priests within the Catholic Church, shortly.

So many precious servants of my Son, whose only desire is to serve God and bring souls on the right path to salvation, are going to be faced with trials of such magnitude that many will fall away in fear. Many will be blind to the Truth and will accept great changes in the Church and will welcome these, in the mistaken belief that they are for the good of all. Those who will recognise the deceit, which will be presented to Catholics, will run. So fearful of their fate, they will leave the Church, for they will be too weak to stand up against such wickedness.

Those priests who will refuse to accept the false doctrine will be accused of heresy and many will be publicly rebuked, for failing to obey those to whom they answer. Many will be excommunicated. Others will be martyred. Then there will be those who will lead the Church – the Church given to the world by my Son – in secret.

They will need to find places of refuge, so that they can provide daily Masses and the Holy Eucharist. They will be guided by the Holy Spirit and they will be followed by my Son’s Remnant Army, who will remain fiercely loyal to His Teachings and Sacraments up to the final day.

You must understand that if you are in any doubt about the validity of this warning, that I, the beloved Mother of Christ, will be used to hide the true intent of those forces, who have entered my Son’s Church on Earth. I will be used as a figurehead of the Church to distract people from the true intentions of this wicked group. In order to convince God’s children that they remain loyal to the true Word of God and the traditions of the Catholic Church, they will create ceremonies, which they will say honour me. They will use the prophecies of Fatima to desecrate my image, by presenting a great deceit to the world. They will use me in order to defile my Son’s Church and everything they will do will be backwards, in accordance with the demands of the evil one.

By giving the impression that they honour the Mother of God, many Catholics will be led into a false sense of security. This will mean that any doubts, which they would otherwise have, when they witness the strange new amendments to the Mass and Sacraments, will be instantly forgotten. How this brings me great sorrow. My image will be deliberately used to insult my Son.

Satan despises me. He also fears me. To hurt my Son, he will, through those souls he influences, go to great lengths to defile my image through many secret rituals and black masses. My statue will be adorned with satanic symbols and I will be desecrated in many places by Masonic groups who have gained control.

Pray, pray, pray, children, every day, for the strength to confront this wickedness with courage. Do not fear it. Accept that Satan’s army is now controlling many nations, in every part of the world. When you accept this, you can then be given the strength and determination you need. When you ask for these graces, through the Crusade Prayers, you can and will help to mitigate this wickedness.

Your beloved Mother

atsa4you said...

You take your information and validation from sources that are much more flawed than what they portend her to be. Again Vox, I am not here to debate. Everything you and many of the others in the blogosphere write about today, was given previously almost verbatim. As for the messages having been a "money making ploy", that almost brought a chuckle. I can think of about 10,000 easier ways to make a buck than to have to dictate complex and predictive messages daily for almost 5 years, and then suffering the wrath of even good men like you, who should be defending her. I wonder why Diarmuid Martin is so frightened of her?

atsa4you said...

You doth protest too much.....and too little. All of you like the sounds of your own voices way too much, and ultimately the end result you offer is a path to nowhere. Where have you been Vox? Where has your "logic" been? There are many who believe in the divinity of the MDM messages among your readers and commenters, who out of fear of being "banished" or edited, frustratingly silence themselves, and that is sad and unfortunate.

Vox Cantoris said...

atsa4you,

I am not banishing anyone. I have friends, and now two priests who followed MDM. My concern was their attitude and behavior whereupon they were questioned. They became hostile. This discloses something, that what they were following was almost cult-like.

Look, if I am wrong about MDM, I will admit it. But it really does not matter. My points stand, she was anonymous and she made money, lots of it.

Let us not be hostile with one another. What matters is where we are now and the Truth of Christ.

atsa4you said...

Vox, God Bless You, and I mean that from my heart. I am not here to defend these messages, but simply to lead people who seek the Truth, to them. I sincerely believe you have it backwards my friend. The hate and vitriol expressed to those who find strength and support from reading these messages is something I have never experienced in my lifetime. I am a Husband, Father, Grandfather, married 43 years, with 6 grown children and 17 (and growing) beautiful grandchildren. We converted to Catholicism in 1973, and knew little to nothing of Traditional and historical Catholicism UNTIL our introduction to these same messages, that advised us that a storm was approaching and furthermore told us to seek out a TLM, pray the Rosary daily, as well as the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, and much much more sage advice, that prior to that, we had never received, nor in all likelihood, ever would have, as Post VII converts, even though as converts we were convinced that we were on fire with our Catholicism, which as it turns out was for all intents and purposes, re-branded Protestantism.
We, unlike most critics of these messages, with very few, if any exceptions, have studied and prayed over these messages in their entirety, taking notes and cross referencing with scripture, each and every one. We have taken these messages with us and prayerfully turned them over to the Lord weekly at Eucharistic Adoration as part of our discernment, and have ONLY received confirmation of their divine nature. We have NEVER engaged in anything ugly with respect to our loving these messages, but I can tell you, we have been on the receiving end from what we thought would be the least likely to accuse us of unimaginable things. May God forgive them, and humble us. We have shared these messages with our Priest, and pray the Crusade Prayers and litanies, and find only solace and love in them. I can tell you that one of your most consistent and learned commentators, who has become a dear friend of ours, is a Woman Religious, and a devout believer in the divine nature of these messages. She chooses to remain silent with respect to the messages on Vox Cantoris, because you give her a voice. You are a good man Vox. We will never be hostile with you, and as I said before, we pray that your eyes, ears, AND heart will be opened.

atsa4you said...

Vox, God Bless You, and I mean that from my heart. I am not here to defend these messages, but simply to lead people who seek the Truth, to them. I sincerely believe you have it backwards my friend. The hate and vitriol expressed to those who find strength and support from reading these messages is something I have never experienced in my lifetime. I am a Husband, Father, Grandfather, married 43 years, with 6 grown children and 17 (and growing) beautiful grandchildren. We converted to Catholicism in 1973, and knew little to nothing of Traditional and historical Catholicism UNTIL our introduction to these same messages, that advised us that a storm was approaching and furthermore told us to seek out a TLM, pray the Rosary daily, as well as the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, and much much more sage advice, that prior to that, we had never received, nor in all likelihood, ever would have, as Post VII converts, even though as converts we were convinced that we were on fire with our Catholicism, which as it turns out was for all intents and purposes, re-branded Protestantism.
We, unlike most critics of these messages, with very few, if any exceptions, have studied and prayed over these messages in their entirety, taking notes and cross referencing with scripture, each and every one. We have taken these messages with us and prayerfully turned them over to the Lord weekly at Eucharistic Adoration as part of our discernment, and have ONLY received confirmation of their divine nature. We have NEVER engaged in anything ugly with respect to our loving these messages, but I can tell you, we have been on the receiving end from what we thought would be the least likely to accuse us of unimaginable things. May God forgive them, and humble us. We have shared these messages with our Priest, and pray the Crusade Prayers and litanies, and find only solace and love in them. I can tell you that one of your most consistent and learned commentators, who has become a dear friend of ours, is a Woman Religious, and a devout believer in the divine nature of these messages. She chooses to remain silent on Vox Cantoris, because you give her a voice. You are a good man Vox. We will never be hostile with you, and as I said before, we pray that your eyes, ears, AND heart will be opened.

Mike said...

@ Margaret, stating the opinion of John Lane regarding the pope is not a sufficient refutation of his summary of the invalidity of "For you and for all men".

You need to refute the sacramental theology he simply refers to in his summary, as taught by Popes, saints, councils and Doctors of the Church. It is not Mr Lane's private opinion. It is the teaching of the Church. i.e the Catholic Church.

Can you show that having the words "For you and for all men" makes the consecration certainly valid?

Can the Church invent a form of a sacrament that is of even doubtful validity? A bastard form that actually LIES about what Our Lord truly said when He consecrated the Chalice of wine at the Last Supper?

No, it can't. The people who invented and approved this mutilated consecratory form cannot have been protected from error, nor members of the Church. They also invented a mutilated form for the sacrament of Holy Orders in 1968. Do you trust them with that?

TLM said...

Vox....thanks for the feedback. Yes, H and I are beginning to prepare the home....because of our business, we have a regular Chapel on the main floor, perfect for Mass. We will also prepare as many rooms as possible for priests as needed. We are blessed to be in such circumstances physically. We just purchased a home Altar Crucifix but I realize that most priests have a traveling Mass kit that can be used. There are also places online that you can purchase hosts for consecration etc. And you are correct....God will provide for us. In fact when I get myself all worked up over this, I can almost audibly hear 'God will provide'. It may be my Guardian Angel reassuring me:)

Anonymous said...

"I am the bread of life." (Jn 6)

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should proclaim to you a gospel contrary to what we proclaimed to you, let that one be accursed [some translations, "anathema"]" Gal 1:8.

Brother Anthony

Durandel Almiras said...

"not even Maronite as they have now entrenched the nervously disordered mentality in to their once venerable rite."

What's wrong with the Maronite Catholics? I've not seen you post anything about this besides this passing comment. Could you elaborate?